>> the question is, what's the canadian perspective of the war of 1812, how is it taught up there? i should say, first, i have no firsthand knowledge of this. i teach at nyu. but i have been talking to canadian colleagues quite a bit this year on various panels, and what i'm hearing is that in canadian, this is really celebrated as the important war that made the canadian nation, that this might not have been a victory for either the unite or great britain, but -- the united states or great britain, but canada regards it as a victory for them. they turned back american invasion efforts, and after the 1812 war from then til now, there's never been a cross-border conflict. >> i can confirm that. i'm an american who spent a good part of my youth in canada, went to school there. and, yes, it's very much a source of canadian pride that the americans were beaten.